5.5 Years Investing with Prosper
Last August, I wrote about our experience investing with Prosper. At the time, we had had money invested there for 4.5 years. Given that that is still one of my most popular posts, I thought that maybe it was time for an update. Hence, this post.
On some level, not a lot has changed since last August. We have not added any new money to the account. No notes have been paid in full since then, and none have been charged off, either.
At the time I wrote the last post, we had 3 active loans. We now have 5 active loans. All are current, though one is new enough that the first payment won’t be due for another week. The oldest note is due to be paid off in November 2013, with each of the others coming due at a rate of 1/yr after that. (These are a mix of 3 and 5 year loans.)
So, since I’m still at 28 notes paid in full and 26 notes charged off, and only 5 active loans, what can I tell you?
It’s pretty much all good news. All 5 of my loans are current, so right now, we’re not looking at any more charge offs, at least not any time soon.
We’ve earned enough in interest from the three active loans we had last year to invest in two more loans. In fact, the value of our loans and cash today is $172.50, up from $135 last year. That’s an increase of 27.75% year over year. No complaining there.
Now, we’re still down money from when we started investing in 2007. But since we made money this year, instead of being down 10.67%, we’re only down 9.5%. Still an overall negative return on our investment, but getting better.
I feel like I’m in a Monty Python movie –
The Dead Collector: ‘Ere, he says he’s not dead.
Large Man with Dead Body: Yes he is.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn’t: I’m not.
The Dead Collector: He isn’t.
Large Man with Dead Body: Well, he will be soon, he’s very ill.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn’t: I’m getting better.
Last year, I also made the comment that I was considering only investing inHRloans from now on. So what about the two new loans since then?
One is actually a B rating, so a pretty safe loan overall, given our payback rates. And it’s a B that comes with a 17.45% yield over 5 years. But that 17.45% yield is the second lowest of all the loans.
Only the A rated loan (the one due to be paid off in a year) has a lower projected yield at 10.15%. With only a year left to be paid off, we’re still short about $15 from what we loaned. At the same time, a D rated loan (I know, bad risk, but this was one we invested in before I ran the analysis last year) which is scheduled to be paid off in Jan 2014, is only $5 short of us making our original investment back. The final projected yield on that loan is 26.75%
The other new loan we made only last month. It is at an HR rating, with a projected yield of 30.77% over 3 years.
I’ll admit Prosper isn’t as fun as it used to be. But given that we have much less money invested (and due to the adoption process are choosing not to invest more at this time), we’re only making new loans ever 7-8 months, so the addictive feeling of searching for the perfect loan to make isn’t really missed.
I would like to up our investing in Prosper again. But right now, we have a bit too much uncertainty with the MIL’s estate still in probate (almost done) and the adoption process. Soon though, I’d like to put some more money in and see what we can do.
I am considering trying out one of these sites… just dont' have the time to make the jump yet and deal with all the tax consequences… maybe next year!
Make sure to check out Brave New Life and his Lending club strategy. A few other bloggers I know invest with Lending club (they were at FinCon). I might be the only one with Prosper. But I would suggest you ask about it over on the Yakezie forums when you do have the money for this. You should get a lot of really good advice.
Interesting read and thanks for sharing. I always wanted to try this, but never followed through. I also checked out your 4.5 years of Prosper for more background. Initially I thought Prosper was a can't lose situation. Now I know, like everything else, there is risk involved. Just making sure I got the terms right, charge off means the person borrowing the money ran out of funds and can't cover so it's a total loss to you?
A charge off is when the person stops paying and it gets sent to collections. Sometimes the person declared bankruptcy, sometimes they were just a bad risk. If the collection agency gets something, we do get something too, but it's usually fractions of a penny on the dollar.
If you are interested in investing in Prosper or Lending Club, you need to do research on their site about your state's laws regarding whether or not you can invest. Because lots of people thought Peer to Peer Lending was guaranteed money (instead of a risk, like any other investment), many states set up regulations around who can invest in peer to peer lending sites. For example, here in WA, you have to meet certain income/savings requirements in order to invest. That's the state trying it's best to make sure you can afford to lose money investing in peer to peer lending. Now they don't ask for bank records or pay stubs, so you can lie about whether or not you meet the qualifications, but it is something to be aware of.
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